Kail Lowry is held nothing back when she finally told her version of events about what ended her good relationship with Vee Torres— and, eventually, their joint podcast.
Weeks after Kail and Vee announced they were ending their Baby Mamas No Drama (BMND) podcast after four years, Kail took to one of her Barely Famous podcast to reveal why BMND came to an end and why she and Vee–- the wife of Kail’s first baby daddy, Jo Rivera, and stepmom to Kail’s son Isaac–- “should have never started a co-parenting podcast” in the first place.
As The Ashley previously told you, after weeks of recording episodes of their podcast separately, Kail and Vee finally announced last month that BMND was ending, with both hosts providing different (and rather vague) explanations to listeners as to why they had decided to pull the plug. The day after announcing the end of BMND, Kail revealed that she and her formerly estranged friend Becky Hayter were launching a new podcast called Karma & Chaos, garnering Kail plenty of hate for the way she publicly handled the situation with Vee.
On the latest episode of Barely Famous, Kail welcomed guest Lindsie Chrisley– her Coffee Convos podcast co-host– for a “necessary” episode to discuss the topic of transparency, specifically relating to BMND.
Before getting into their discussion, both Kail and Lindsie told listeners they were “tired of” receiving DMs and seeing social media comments speculating the reason why BMND ended, with Kail saying that she believed the problem was that neither she nor Vee had been fully transparent about what happened, leading people to “make assumptions” and “come up with their own narrations.”
“ … and I think that after we get through this month of episodes, I never want to talk about any of this ever again,” Kail said, claiming that she was “tired” and “cannot spend any more time convincing people what is the truth.”
Kail proceeded to tell her version of how BMND started, claiming that in 2019 or 2020, Vee sent her a text proposing they team up for a co-parenting podcast called Baby Mamas No Drama. While Kail said she believed BMND would be an extension of her and Vee’s co-parenting relationship, she now has some resentment, as she believes she was “presented this podcast under false pretenses.” She then brought up some of the comments Vee made regarding privacy on the final episode of BMND.
“When I listened to the ‘End of an Era’ episode of Baby Mamas No Drama and Vee is sad and Vee is crying and Vee is talking about the privacy of her family, I call bulls**t,” Kail said. “That was really, really upsetting because I came off very abrasive …
“I think my tone should have been different, but also people needed to listen to what I was saying,” Kail continued. “I was presented this idea under false pretenses. You don’t come to me and say that we’re going to start a co-parenting podcast and then say that you didn’t want to share because you wanted to protect your family’s privacy. That goes against the entire reason to have the podcast to begin with.”
Kail mentioned the criticism she’s received for claiming recently that she and Vee were never friends nor co-parents, while insisting that both claims are true.
“I’m not saying that to be a d**k,” Kail said. “That is the truth. We don’t co-parent and we were not friends. We never have been.”
Kail told listeners there’s a difference between being friendly and being friends, and because the former describes how her relationship with Vee was at the time, the two of them “should have never started a co-parenting podcast.” According to Kail, Vee has “always had a lack of role in co-parenting,” but that became much clearer to her when BMND was ending. Kail said in hindsight, she realizes Vee “was never co-parenting.”
Still, Kail said Vee is not solely at fault for what went on between the two of them and admits she should have spoken to Vee about her feelings sooner. Kail claims she didn’t speak up earlier because she believed things would get better between her and Vee and that they would eventually become friends.
Over the course of BMND’s run, however, Kail said she and Vee didn’t have conversations that weren’t business-related, nor did they even talk about co-parenting until the last year or so. Kail insists that she never expects anyone to “air out their dirty laundry,” but because she and Vee were hosting a co-parenting podcast, she expected them both to be transparent about the struggles that come with that dynamic.
“ … We should be able to say, ‘OK, Vee and I just recently went through a huge struggle with co-parenting. Here’s the gist of it and here’s how we worked through it,’” Kail said. “That is the level that I would have been comfortable with, but that wasn’t even being done. It was very much like, ‘I can’t speak on Jo, I can’t speak on his behalf, I can’t speak for him … .’ But I was expected to give Baby Mamas No Drama my pregnancies, my relationship … .”
Kail said she would try to bring up certain things on the podcast, only for Vee to “shut it down.”
Due to the lack of co-parenting discussions that took place on what was supposed to be a co-parenting podcast, Kail said BMND “became the Temu version of Coffee Convos very quickly.”
She also claimed that when she and Vee would talk about other people’s co-parenting relationships on the show, listeners “picked up on it very quickly” that something was wrong because she and Vee were only talking about other people’s co-parenting issues and never their own.
When comparing BMND to Coffee Convos and their respective co-hosts, Kail said Lindsie already had her own following going into their podcast, whereas “Vee came in with a following that already came from me.”
“Her following started from me being on 16 and Pregnant and Teen Mom,” Kail said. “So she already shares all of those followers with me. Of course she’s gained her own … a very small fraction of those are on her own, but that already is from me.”
Kail went on to say that Vee isn’t the only person who has “capitalized off of me exploiting my life,” alleging that Jo, her ex-husband Javi Marroquin and Javi’s fiancée Lauren Comeau have done the same thing.
“ … None of the people who capitalized off of my following have ever thanked me in any way, shape or form,” Kail said later in the episode. “Vee has never said thank you to me, Jo has never said thank you to me, Javi has never said thank you to me, Lauren has never said thank you to me.
“And it’s not necessarily that I need a thank you, it’s just to be acknowledged that you are able to gain or benefit in some way from me exploiting my life,” Kail clarified.
Later in the episode, Kail spoke about how Vee benefitted from BMND, telling listeners she knew how much money Vee was making every month from their podcast, while also claiming that the house Vee and Jo moved into “was solely because of Baby Mamas No Drama.”
Regarding transparency– or rather, an alleged lack thereof– Kail said she doesn’t believe that the final episode of BMND was recorded “in full transparency by both parties,” and claims she’s now “being villainized” on social media for the way everything went down.
She also revealed that she sent an email to Vee after they decided to end their podcast, in which she expressed her feelings to Vee “in very clear, direct communication.” Because of this, Kail said Vee’s decision to remain silent about what really happened is “really upsetting.”
Kail said she also made it clear in her “hefty email” to Vee that “none of this is about Jo.”
Kail went on to say that, while people have called her out for keeping (some of her) pregnancies a secret, she believes that’s different than what both she and Vee did by keeping their co-parenting issues off of their podcast.
“ … We have presented her and our co-parenting dynamic in a way that is not accurate, but I only know that now,” she said. “I didn’t know that in the midst of it, too. I also want to speak to that, is when we’re out here presenting us as co-parents … we thought we were something we weren’t.”
Despite the way their podcast ended, Kail said she believes there’s still a world where she and Vee can work together in a capacity that both she and her KILLR Podcast Network support Vee and Vee’s other podcast, Vibin’ & Kinda Thrivin’; however, Kail said at the moment, she and Vee “need space.”
“ … and I absolutely need to work through this in therapy,” she added.
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Jo, Vee, and Javi were all on TM2 and able to develop their own fanbase separate from Kail. Maci was on the first ep of 16&Pregnant. By Kail’s own logic, didn’t she capitalize off of Maci’s fan base?
Of course Kail thinks they should all be kissing her ass because she made them famous. 🙄 It’s amazing this girl can stand upright with a head so big. I wonder if she’s ever thanked Jo for not using a condom and making her rich?
Remember when Jon was an whole dad since birth, moved to be closer to his son when Kail moved, helped her with her other kid and listened to her Javi drama with advice? Only to hear she gave Javi joint custody no problem but he still only had selective visitation when and if it benefited her ? And he paid the most child support ?
I don’t agree with everything she said, but I actually honestly kind of get her point. Granted, I’ve never listened to an episode of BMND but if *Vee* approached *Kail* about creating a coparenting podcast, but is then avoidant/uncomfortable with talking about the details of their experiences with coparenting, that’s not a fair dynamic. Not saying every detail needs to be aired out, but if I were a listener, I’d be expecting honesty and vulnerability on the topic.
The ‘thanking Kail’ comments is where the explanation goes left for me though. She should have left it at that instead of bringing her ego into the equation.
Kail is the WORST. She thinks she’s some A list celebrity, when in reality she’s Z list.
The narcissism from her is bonkers- everyone owes her? Get outta here. She is insufferable.
She is the common denominator of being toxic to all these people she mentions, and Becky has lost her mind to open the door to her again.
Kail does belong in a cave. I wish people would stop listening to her podcasts that are all bullcrap lies.
She just keeps proving she’s so full of herself. She’ll kill all podcasts she shares with everyone until she spends every waking moment on 10 podcasts of her own yapping away like people want to hear what she has to say. Only reason why people likely listen is to see what BS she’ll pop off next.
It’s not false pretenses though. She started a podcast with Kail to discuss coparenting and life and decided FOUR YEARS LATER that she wanted privacy for her family. Her daughter is getting older, she’s not a toddler anymore. Of course she wants privacy for her. You’re allowed to change in four fucking years. Kail obviously doesn’t understand that because she hasn’t matured past 16.
Why are we still talking about this TOXIC, SELF-CENTERED, IMMATURE, HYPOCRITE at all? Really Kail… it’s about time she opened her eyes & realized that the common denominator in ALL her failed relationships/friendships IS HER! Give me a freaking break & grow TF up Kail!🙄
When she wanted to explain things, she made herself look worse. Jfc. She is insufferable. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she had zero friends. Fake.
It sounds like Vee had one vision for the podcast and Kail had another. And rather than recognize two different valid views, Kail sees hers as the one right and only way to go and Vee’s as wrong. Maybe if they had done it Kail’s way, there would be more success. Maybe there would be less. But there was definitely some success with the way it has been done and it seems Vee is satisfied with the amount. If Kail isn’t, that doesn’t automatically make Vee nefarious.
It also sounds like Vee has BOUNDARIES when it comes to her family and what she wants to put out there. And Kail is extremely triggered by her upholding them. Kail’s right, she needs to work all this sh*t out in therapy, and stop doing the preliminary processing on public podcasts. Because her son now has access to it and it’s going to impact the relationship they all have.
So she saying Vee doesn’t co-parent I find that hard to believe she has been in his life since he was like one. Also I seriously don’t think Jo would allow her to just ignore his son
I think Kail means that Vee doesn’t run her parenting by her. She’s not “co-parenting” on Kail’s terms.
Anyone else finding it actually gross how she’s now got her kids calling Becky “Aunty Becky” when the two literally only just reconnected and will probably not even be a thing in 2 years time?
Just when it seemed like Kail couldn’t be any more insufferable… Poor baby daddy Elijah. But Kail would instantly drop him for a quick bang with Chris.
Didn’t she capitalize from every single daddy she has with each child. Child support and salary for continuing to get knocked up is all she has ever done.
Kaitlyn deserves who she has her podcast with now. I wouldn’t trust that Christly girl for anything. The girl helped put her own father away out of revenge. You better watch your back.
Vee was and is the perfect step mom. She took care of Isaac, she worked hard to build a string relationship with you and now you hate on her?! You’re as sick as you claim your mom is and you are the opportunist. You ised everyone in your path to get everything you have while being very calculating through it all!
It’s weird she keeps saying everyone should thank her. They may have gained attention being associated with her, but Vee and Lauren, hell even Chris have maintained their following because people simply like them more than her. Vee and Lauren don’t even talk about her.
@theAshley let’s have some polls!
*Who would you rather have over for friendly drink and a convo, Kail or Vee?
*Would you rather have 12 hours of food poisoning or spend 1 hour with Kail?
*Three choices, choose 1: 1 hour with Jenelle, 1 hour with Kail, 1 hour with Amber, or 1 hour with David and new lady telling you their love story.
1 Obvi Vee
2 An hour of Kail because food poising is pretty awful, even worse than Kail
3 Oof, really tough one. I’d go with Amber. She’d just doze off on her couch
I would take mild food poisoning over Kail! Lol
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Kail has always been such a b. Vee has put up with her bs with such poise and grace. She doesn’t have to down talk Kail or feed into the drama, and everyone already knows that she isn’t the problem. I was glad to read the comments on this and see that everyone else sees what I do.
So, in other words, Vee said something Kail didn’t like and she threw a fit and took her a few weeks to get the “correct words” to use to talk shit about her. And to make herself feel better for tossing a good person completely out of her life, she picked up an old person to replace Vee. This is stupid and I feel second hand embarrassed more so for Isaac. Kail needs to take a couple seats.
These people have really became such egotistical a holes…. I wouldn’t watch or listen to anything 90% of them are involved in…
EGO.
Kail no one owes you anything. Vee has been around from the start and Isaac – the real reason you have what you have – is half Jo! So Jo owes you nothing.
I feel bad for Isaac who will be pulled between both parents again to feed Karl’s ego. She thinks the children belong to only her.
She needs more than therapy.
wow, kail 🥬 truly sucks.
imagine having all those kids (who should be her focus) and instead focusing on the constant issues and drama with EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. in her life.
what an ahole. 🍑🕳️
I still remember when Kail told Jo that he dresses Isaac like a “thug”. You can still be racist even though you sleep with POC’s. Kail seems like she is really miserable. “God Bless America”
I just saw that clip this morning on Facebook Reels. For someone who claims to be in therapy, it doesn’t seem to be working when she cannot realize that she is the problem in all of her relationships.
Yup. She claimed Isaac was a “white boy” so Jo shouldn’t be dressing him like a thug. And this is around the time she was threatening Jo if he allowed Vee to be around Isaac (while simultaneously allowing Isaac to call Javi “daddy”). Hmmmm which relationship actually lasted??
Kail seems to think that she sounds like a reasonable person and it just highlights how messed up she is.
I don’t like Kail.
Nobody with a brain likes Kail.
Nobody does. She is toxic.
Nobody does. Kail lives in a universe of delusion where she is a size two and cute and has something of value to offer the world other than getting pregnant at an early age, leggings, and pot shampoo. This is just her latest ploy for attention since no one pays attention to her. The last was her reconciling with mom until that bombed and no one cared. I would recommend Vee get a lawyer and shut Kail up for a while. Her best gift to the world this Christmas would to gain employment at a Dollar General in Cow Flop, Montana and not post anything for three years. It will give her perspective. Either that or SKULL SLEEVE TATS for all!
When Kail gets butt hurt, She really gets Butt Hurt. Instead of dismissing people from your life ( and Vee is your son’s step mom for life, not going anywhere) and then going to therapy. Try just going to therapy and working on your many issues. Thanks Susie! Hopefully one day she will understand how crazy she sounds about people needing to thank her.
Why on earth would Jo owe her a thank you? It’s also because of Jo that she ended up on the show in the first place. Vee was also on the show from almost the beginning so to act like Vee only recently came on the scene and is capitalizing off of Kail is disingenuous on Kail’s part. I wonder if Kail has ever thanked Isaac since he’s the reason she was on TM. I’m sure I already know the answer to that. Speaking of thank yous, I wonder if Kail has thanked her multiple baby daddy’s for the money she is making on her podcast tour while she’s talking about them and holding up pictures of their faces on sticks. Again, I’m sure I know the answer to that. Kail is a hypocrite that has an ego that’s out of control. She also thinks she’s way more important than she is.
That chick is a malignant narc so bad. Her having so many is is about her ego and her past trauma. It’s only going to get worse for those kids. She will never have positive relationships with anyone because she won’t heal herself. It’s really sad. People like that end up alone.
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This witch throws friends away, brings them back and switches them out for another so frequently it’ll make your head spin. Becky will be gone soon. Bad talk vee all you want but you were content with her and building a decent relationship for the kids. But it’s always about king kail
I just read a bunch nonsense. How does Kail not see the absolute nothingness of her explanation? To top it off, she wants thank you’s! Hopefully Becky has already gave a gratuitous thank you to Kail, who pulled her out of obscurity & poverty. Kiss the ring peasants!
Geesh!
“I’m not saying that to be a d**k,” Kail said. “That is the truth. We don’t co-parent and we were not friends. We never have been.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH fucking narcissist
Sooo then Kail, the whole podcast was a fraud. And your even more of a shit person!
How many podcasts does a wealthy babymill need? I would rather be deaf than hear Kail talk. About anything.
Girl you can’t always be the victim 😂
Isaac has regularly been a part of Vee’s life. I can’t imagine that it is comfortable for him to have his mother publicly bashing Vee. She should really think before she opens her mouth.
Just like she doesn’t think before opening her legs 🤮
Or her legs. 😂
She and Jo were both on teen mom so you didn’t give him a following. You are the most egotistical narcissist asshole. You think you all that and a bag of chips. lol. Stfu already. Vee has always always been 1000000000x more likable than you could ever be. None of those people you named owe you anything. And you will say the same thing about anyone else you partner with because you are the be all and end all. Gtfooh
LMAOOOOO oh okay Kail! Now they all need to “Thank you” for capitalizing off you?! That is the most entitled thing I have ever heard. You aren’t a celebrity… You are like, maybe, a D list celebrity if anything and quite honestly I don’t know many people that listened to the podcast because of YOU- it was more for Vee… And you are not being villainized for this situation only… NO one needs to Villainize you because you ARE the villain in EVERY situation, and always have been. “That was really, really upsetting because I came off very abrasive…” Well, yeah, Because you ARE abrasive… But let’s blame Vee for podcast ending… typical. You DO need to work on the deterioration of the podcast in therapy, along with MANY other things. One major thing being, you being able to be accountable. Good Lord.
Didn’t read the story because if Kail wrote it you know it/s 99% a fuc*ing lie. Stand your ground Vee and hold your head up high, everyone knows you are one classy lady and everyone know Kail is a discussing, nasty, dirty Fing wh*re.
No Kail, you are not the victim in this. We know you, we see through you.
So I guess she got pregnant all on her own huh? Does she forget Jo was just as much the reason she got on TV? She is delusional.
I think she needs to thank Jo for not wearing a condom 😂
You need a reality check, Kail.