Catelynn Lowell once again hit TikTok Live this week to talk answer Teen Mom fans’ questions about the adoption of her biological daughter Carly.
The ‘Teen Mom’ star— who, along with her husband Tyler Baltierra has been very (very) outspoken about the injustices of adoption in general, as well as their unhappiness with Carly’s parents, Brandon and Teresa Davis, for closing the adoption and cutting off contact between them and Carly last year. During her TikTok Live session on Wednesday, Cate stated that she and Tyler are now speaking out about the situation because they no longer have to fear Carly’s parents closing the adoption.
“We already lost the most-important thing to us, so now we’re going to put everything out there because it’s really important that everybody knows the full scope of the situation,” she said.
Here, The Ashley breaks down some of the most-interesting parts of Catelynn’s TikTok Live about adoption, which at one point in the Live she compared to “literally buying babies” due to how much it currently costs in America to adopt.
On whether or not she thinks her and Tyler’s new podcast will hurt Carly and further damage the relationship:
“I’m not worried that podcast will hurt Carly because we talk about all sorts of things and different aspects of our life,” Catelynn said of Cate & Ty Break It Down! which debuted earlier this month. “Our podcast is not just adoption-centered. We talk about all types of things, so I don’t think it would negatively impact her at all.”
On whether she would consider taking Brandon and Teresa to court to get communication with Carly reestablished:
Catelynn stated that, in some states, birth parents can take adoptive parents to court if the adoptive parents aren’t fulfilling their agreement; however, Michigan is not one of those states. She also said that she wouldn’t do that to Carly’s parents, even if she legally could.
“I wouldn’t take her parents to court,” she said. “I feel like that could do way more harm and cause a lot more trauma, and make [Carly] feel like she has to choose between us and them and I would never want to put her in that situation.”
(Back in November, Tyler also addressed this topic. He stated during a Live that he “wouldn’t do anything legally” because “that really wouldn’t help anything. I definitely wouldn’t, even if the opportunity was there.” He went on to add that he would never try to “challenge” Carly’s adoption legally, for any reason.)
During her Live, Catelynn acknowledged that it was never legally binding that Brandon and Teresa allow them to maintain contact with Carly; however, she did agree with a person that stated that “they had an agreement that Brandon and Teresa never kept.”
“So open adoption is basically hoping that they keep their words,” Catelynn said later. “Yes, yes it is. And that’s why I think about how there’s certain things that I wish I could go back and change but I can’t, you know?”
On whether she holds a grudge against Tyler or her mother-in-law Kim for “pressuring” her to place Carly for adoption:
Catelynn addressed fans who have commented that Tyler (and his mom) pressured her to choose adoption, with some claiming that Tyler told Catelynn that he would leave her if she chose to keep Carly. During her Live, Catelynn vehemently denied this.
“Tyler never forced me to give my kid away. That’s disgusting,” she added. “Like, that you guys would think that, it’s just wrong.
“If you feel like anybody forced me to place my child, you’re dead wrong,” she said. “If you think I’m that weak of a person and a woman to choose a man over my child, that’s disgusting. It was my decision. I could have changed my decision at any time that I wanted to.”
Cate went on to state that, at one point in her pregnancy (that wasn’t filmed), she did change her mind about the adoption and wanted to parent Carly.
“And then something happened in my life, my home life, and I was like, ‘Oh gosh, nevermind. I have to do this for her. I can’t bring her home to this,'” Catelynn said.
As for Tyler’s mother, Kim, Catelynn said she harbors no hard feelings toward her. (As 16 and Pregnant fans will remember, Kim made it clear during Cate’s pregnancy that she did not want Tyler and Catelynn to parent Carly.)
“My mother-in-law helped us, actually, look into the adoption, because we didn’t know where to go. We were children,” she said, adding that Tyler’s mom was a big source of support for her when she was a teenager. “She was the person that I could call at any time if something was happening at home and she would come and pick me up. She was a huge, huge support system for me and she saved me so many times. And I’m blessed to have a mother-in-law like her.”
On what she would like to see changed about adoption:
Tyler and Catelynn have both been outspoken about the fact that they feel adoption needs to be reformed legally. During her Live, Cate stated that she feels anyone considering adoption should get their own legal representation. She also took issue with how much it costs to adopt a baby in America.
“I think it’s crazy that it costs thousands and thousands of dollars for people to adopt children,” she said. “Like, you are literally buying babies, which is crazy to me.”
On why she continued to send texts to Teresa after Teresa said she no longer wanted to communicate:
Cate admitted that she continued to send texts and pictures to Carly (via Teresa’s phone), even after Teresa told Cate that she didn’t want to communicate with her any longer. Back in September—after revealing that Teresa had blocked her phone number— Catelynn posted some of the messages, photos and videos that she had been sending to Carly. While some fans argued that it was wrong for Cate to “blow up Teresa’s phone” after Teresa wanted to stop communicating, Cate gave reasons for continuing to send updates.
“When they said that they weren’t going to talk to us, I felt like it was important for Carly to know that I didn’t stop reaching out,” Catelynn said, adding that she was only sending messages about twice a month at the time. “Because I’ll be able to show her that in the future, that I never stopped reaching out to her.
“Until I know that it’s her [idea to close the adoption] I think it’s important for her to know that I love her and I care about her and that it wasn’t me that quit reaching out,” Catelynn added. “It’s important for her as a birth child and an adoptee that we will never stop fighting for her and we love her.
“It is definitely a traumatic situation, yeah,” she said. “It definitely brought up a lot of PTSD for me and I felt like it swung me into all of those feelings I had when I was holding her in the hospital room [after her birth] and saying goodbye, and that was super-hard to go through, but if it’s what she wants, I’ll go through anything for her. Period. For any of my kids.”
On whether she thinks her and Tyler being on MTV played a part in the adoption closing:
Catelynn said that, in her opinion, her and Tyler being on a reality show had no effect on Carly’s parents closing the adoption.
“Absolutely not, because MTV has been a part of the journey since I was pregnant and has been for the last 15 years of all of our lives. So, no, I do not think so,” she said.
In September, Tyler also addressed this during a Live. He stated that Teresa told him that their being on a TV show has nothing to do with the rules imposed on Cate and Ty.
“I asked them if the rules/access/restrictions would be different if we weren’t who we were and didn’t have a huge following. She said no, and I have to go off what she said. Do I believe that, really? No, not really,” Tyler said. “Because Carly’s brother’s birth mom has all the access that we don’t. So, I think it would have been different if we weren’t who were.”
On whether their adoption counselor Dawn knows why Carly’s parents closed the adoption:
Catelynn stated that she’s unsure if Dawn— the adoption counselor who helped arrange Carly’s adoption— knows the exact reasons Brandon and Teresa cut off contact with them. While Dawn remains in contact with both sides, Catelynn claimed that Dawn has been sworn to secrecy.
“I guess that they’ve told Dawn that she’s forbidden to tell us anything,” Cate said.
During his September Live, Tyler stated that he holds no ill will toward Dawn whatsoever.
Tyler, however, denies that Dawn is to blame for any of the current turmoil happening. In fact, he has defended her over and over again.
“I have seen too much hate for that woman and I have seen too much judgement towards her,” Tyler said at the time. “If it wasn’t for Dawn and her consistent compassionate loving bridge that she continued to try to build between us, we never would have gotten any visits after Year 4 [of Carly’s life]. That’s what I believe.”
“Dawn has been the biggest advocate for us ever,” he continued. “She has been a mediator, when me and Cate didn’t know we needed one…Dawn has been the pillar of support by trying to hold this bridge up and keep this communication alive and going. Dawn has also expressed that she fully understands the importance of having access and communication for Carly’s sake. I really don’t like when I see anything negative about Dawn…if you only knew, guys…how much she has contributed to keeping this going, it’s crazy. Dawn’s amazing. She is an angel, a damn saint. And she has always advocated to keep this communication going.”
On whether she regrets placing Carly for adoption:
“I wouldn’t say that I regret it,’ Catelynn said. “But if I could go back with the wisdom that I have now and do it all over at 16, there’s a lot of things that I would change.”
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Just wanted to, once again, say how happy I am that the vast majority of regular The Ashley readers have sense. Some of the comments on the article link on Facebook have the die-hard Baltierra fans coming out and believing every lie out of their mouths like the past wasn’t documented on national television.
So, if the adoption counselor didn’t do anything wrong and they agree that they both wanted to go the adoption route, then why do Cate and Tyler keep claiming they were taken advantage of? In what way?
We have literally seen the open adoption language and heard them admit that they knew that the adoption could be closed at any time so they were NOT misled by Brandon and Theresa who have more than held up their end of the deal.
These two can’t get their story straight, but know they want to play the victim and continue to use Carly for money and sympathy. It’s gross.
I think people would be more open to hearing C&T talk about the problems with the adoption industry (and there are many) if they were at all willing to place any blame on Dawn or BCS. But they aren’t. Gotta wonder if BCS is cutting them checks behind the scenes, lol. Their constant praise for Dawn is completely at odds with everything else they spout.
And I’d ask when they’re gonna shut up…..but it’s been clear for awhile now that that isn’t in the cards 😂
At the end of the day Dawn is a finder like BCS. Her jobs is not to be an advocate for either side. It’s to bring interested parties together. The agency has an attorney who handles all the legalities of the adoption.
They would absolutely take Brandon and Teresa to court, if they could. It’s all about storyline with these two. The adoption well is drying up so now they’re circling back to Butch.
So what I want to know is who are Cate & Tyler blaming for all this? Kim and Tyler wanted her to give the baby up – she doesn’t blame them for this. April & Butch wanted her to keep the baby – that was their advice. She went against it. They didn’t know what they were talking about – a baby needs more than just love. Dawn facilitated this whole thing but she’s a saint. B & T stepped up to take care of a child that Cate & Tyler didn’t want. Yet they claim they were taken advantage of at such a young age. So who are they blaming?? They knew after 5 years that the adoption could close. They were going to move on and make something of themselves and make C & T & B proud but they were never able to make it off the sofa. They thought they were making such an adult decision and that they were so mature for doing this and their parents didn’t know what they were talking about. Yet they were taken advantage of… All I see is 2 children refusing to take responsibility for their actions and throwing a tantrum because they’re not getting their way. They need to go back and re-watch their episode and see how Dawn was the one to prey on them. They need to move on a focus their energy on the 3 girls they do have. They don’t realize how their behavior and obsession with C is causing their children trauma. This is not B & T’s fault the trauma is being created. They have every right to live their life with their children and they owe Cate and Tyler nothing. They stepped up to give their unwanted child a good life. They did this themselves. Their actions created this situation. They need to grow up and take accountability and stop trying to find someone to pin the blame on. Unless of course it’s Dawn. Which it is. I don’t know if they realize how much they contradict what they are saying from one interview to the next. Keep notes guys. You’re not doing yourselves any favor but not remembering what you said last time!
Bravo, perfectly stated.
Catelynn and Tyler, we know you read this… the most heartbreaking piece of this is that you wanted to protect Carly of the trauma you experienced by placing her up for adoption, that yall chose… Brandon and Teresa seem to be raising a wonderful human… sadly your obsession will ultimately cause Carly trauma and that’s what you all wanted to avoid. It’s sad. Please be quiet and just let her be who she wants to be… not just Catelynn and Tyler adopted daughter from Teen Mom. Let her live her own path
Wow. Catelyn and her husband are beyond ridiculous. They made a choice 15 years ago to give up a child for adoption. I agree it would be a very hard decision to make. However they were both teens and what kind of life could they give that child? Apparently the couple who adopted Carly have been wonderful parents and put the child’s interests first. Now 15 years later, Catelyn and Tyler have 3 more children and neither have jobs or educations. Yet they feel it is their right to be in Carly’s life. I feel for the 3 children they have now and what their future may be. Catelyn and Tyler may think they know it all but in reality they know nothing.
It seems like Carly is happy and thriving in the environment she is in. If she was not thriving or suffering abuse, then maybe Caitlyn and Tyler’s concerns would be valid but aside from all this publicity Caitlyn and Tyler are putting out, she is doing fine. I know those agencies screen the hell out of the adoptive parent candidates to make sure they will be good parents.
Tyler never forced me to give my kid away. That’s disgusting,” she added. “Like, that you guys would think that, it’s just wrong” and the very next quote I didn’t repost
Hold up…has Cait really become so delusional that she is now trying to claim Tyler never forced this? This man legit said ON CAMERA more than once that if she keeps the kid he’s gone and she’s alone. That was a Huge part of the reason she did adoption at the time. She now commonly tries to claim the generational trauma was the majority (99% reason she now claims) but has repeatedly confirmed that Tyler’s threat of leaving was one of the biggest factors in the adoption.
The trauma reason is true and why the adoption was def the right choice. But at the time, she was more scared of losing Tyler than the generational trauma. For her to think she can ignore what is documented and repeatedly stated and pretend Tyler was supportive is just crazy. Shes getting as bad as amber and needs help.
Also it’s ironic and they don’t even see it…
They are now claiming to have given her up to prevent that trauma and give her a better chance that they had. Yet if that were honestly true, they are now actively trying to do everything they can to cause the trauma to Carly they claim to want to prevent. It was a self fulfilling prophecy. They gave her up to prevent trauma and their horrible childhood but then are turning and doing everything they can to give her the same trauma!! These two need some serious help and an independent person who doesn’t kiss their ass for money & fame to force some sense and sanity into them
Also, there is a whole community of adoptees who are saying the same things Catelynn and Tyler are saying. Adoption should always be about the child and their needs! Carly, and all adoptee are the ones who get to decide who theirs real family and real parents are. Adoptees are not required to exclude their birth family to make their adopted family feel better. Carly is old enough that she should be the one making the decisions about contact with her birth family. Children aren’t things that can be owned they are in fact people and get to make their own decisions about who they want in their lives. The fact that this is so controversial amongst TM fans says a lot about how society views adoption and adoptees.
Exactly your comment but you are ignoring the fact that c&t have confirmed numerous times that this IS Carly’s choice and they know it. Carly cut them off so cait started blowing up Teresa’s phone. Now b&t have cut them off for not respecting boundaries. You are trying to defend c&t without realizing you are literally explaining why they are wrong! It has been confirmed repeatedly by them that Carly was the one who has cut off communication initially and b&t respected that decision and have supported her. So yes, reread what you said and see how you are clearly explaining why Cait & Tyler are wrong and continue to be wrong 😂 love when people try to defend them but only end up confirming why c&t are wrong
It has been said repeatedly that B&T have not revealed why they cut contact. C&T have also said that if it was Carly’s decision they would honor that and leave her alone. It was said in this article, in this interview. Catelynn literally said that Dawn was sworn to secrecy(like a teenager) by B&T. You posting that it was Carly’s decision is literal insane. Even more insane that you say C&T have confirmed it multiple times when they have said the exact opposite. The only one who has said that is the poster below who posts it on every single article about C&T. You’re just spreading lies about a child and that’s super lame.
No, read again, with your eyes open this time.
Cate literally said, in both words AND text, that communication was cut by Carly, then it was cut by B&T and that she STILL felt the need to try and contact despite being blocked. It’s right there in the article….READ it. Those aren’t my words, they are literally Cate’s own words, which for whatever reason you close your eyes every time they come up, lol.
Cate said *she thinks Dawn isn’t answering because *she (this would be Cate, btw) thinks Dawn has been sworn to secrecy. Are you really this dense or are you actually one of them? Even some of their most staunch supporters aren’t this willfully ignorant.
CATE has said HERSELF that Carly cut contact which is why she had to text Theresa. She said it on the show. TYLER AND CATE said that Theresa cut contact because they were crossing boundaries. They literally said it episode one of THIS SEASON. They are honoring NOTHING just like they always have! Nothing has changed except their rewriting of events that was on TV.
Carly DID make her decision. Apparently this is something that some of you whackadoodles seem to not want to grasp or listen to. Carly blocked them from communication. Carly chose not to have the last meeting with them. Carly decided she doesn’t want…whatever fresh hell these two are spouting, in her life. That should be ENOUGH for anyone to say…a decision has been made.
You are right, adoption should always be about what is best for the child, and only the child, period. C&T are NOT what’s best for Carly and haven’t done anything in her best interest since the day they gave her up. Literally everything they do and say is about them, what they want, what they think they are owed, etc… Carly has decided that she does not want them in her life, full stop. She did make her decision.
There is no “whole community of adoptees who are saying the same things Catelynn and Tyler are saying”. There are, however, some people who have had negative experiences and are sharing that information, (and no way to verify any of it is truthful) with C&T and those two are running with it like a fat kid with cake. People are a lot less likely to share positive experiences than they are negative-and really that applies to anything.
Listen, I have had good, bad, amazing, horrible, beautiful, ugly and every other word you could possibly use, experiences with adoption. Adoption is never all sunshine and roses, even when everything goes right. So I can completely understand people when they express things regarding their experiences that are likely far less than stellar. But none of that applies to these two, who got exactly what they signed up and asked for. The cutting of all contact was initiated by them because THEY couldn’t be assed to think beyond their own desires and treat Carly like the little amazing human being she is even when they were asked to. THEY tried to take her voice, her choice and her experience away. She said “I won’t let you”, end of.
Carly should be allowed at 18.
I’m a adopted child.
Cait says, “We already lost the most-important thing to us……..
So the 3 children you have at home aren’t important to you!!!!!! Clearly they are not, or you’d not be banging on about the child whom you signed away all rights too, Carly’s parents should have shut things down after 5 years.
You are a vile person as is your hubby ( who clearly stated it was him or Carly) we all saw it on tv he did pretty much force you to give her up, and if the Davis were not who you had chosen, then another family most likely would have told you to FO years ago.
B&T are saints to have put up with you two and your messed up patents, for this long.
They owe you nothing NADA!!!!
Parents I meant.
Adoption should be about the child but in the US adoption is a business that finds children for adults who want to fulfill a particular desire (to be parents, have a certain gender/ethnicity, etc.) I applaud Catelynn and Tyler for sharing truth about adoption because most people have no idea the reality of adoption in this country. Adoption is a billion dollar industry that has deep ties and shady business practices. She isn’t wrong about buying babies. It’s basically human trafficking
Adoption is free is you foster to adopt! That’s the greatest need anyway! I have the best son ever that came through the foster system. His story before he came to our house was traumatic but he is thriving!
C&T have NOT told “the truth” about adoption.
Adoption is NOT human trafficking.
Bullshit
Stop “reading up about adoption” and get some actual experience, please, you’re talking out of your ass here, lmao. “Most people have no idea the reality of adoption in this country”, neither do you, you’ve literally told us all that you’re “read up on it” countless times, lol.
Adoption does need a hell of a lot of work, and there are some who make it far more difficult a process than it ever needs to be. There is a lot that needs to be fixed, and this goes triple for fostering to adopt honestly. It really isn’t what a lot of people think it is, but that can be said for those who think it’s just a business as much as it goes for those who think it’s always or even mostly positive. A lot of people have put a hell of a lot of work into changing things for the better, but people who keep perpetuating the belief that it is ONLY a billion dollar business with nothing but shady practices that only serves to sell babies are making it really difficult to show people just how many things have changed over the years.
Do not, ever, equate the children I have adopted as being trafficked humans. Who the hell does that? I know, pieces of human garbage who have no qualms supporting people who like harassing children. Let’s not forget that this is why Carly cut contact, and now, you can see with your own eyes that Cate admitted it….Carly cut contact because of HARASSMENT. The same kind of garbage who calls adoption human trafficking seems to think harassing children is perfectly acceptable. You are disgusting.
You are spreading lies about a child online because you don’t like her parents but I’m the one who’s disgusting and a piece of human garbage?? Okay, sure. Also funny that you claim I’m talking out of my ass but then you agreed with me. But it seems like I touched a nerve. Interesting
You called adoption human trafficking. I am the mother of adopted children. I will adopt more children in the future. You are literally calling me a human trafficker and claiming my children were trafficked. You are, absolutely, a piece of garbage human being. That’s the point where you touched a nerve. If you can’t understand why calling people who adopt children traffickers is offensive, I don’t know what to tell you. It should be obvious to even the most ignorant in the world exactly why that’s offensive.
You are talking out of your ass on many things, because you don’t actually know anything at all about adoption-but you keep pretending you do. It’s why you made such a heinous comment about it, because you don’t actually know and apparently don’t want to know. I do agree with one thing that you and countless others have said, and that is adoption-as a whole-needs a hell of a lot more work. I have always said this, it’s something I work to achieve along with countless others, because we see the value in adoption. We can acknowledge changes are necessary without comparing it to something as horrible as human trafficking. Seriously….what exactly is wrong with you that makes you think this way? You do know it’s not normal, right?
Catelynn is losing it mentally like Amber. Sad that she will continue to pass down her mental illness to more and more children. Their perpetual state of victimhood will serve them no purpose in life.
These two are owed nothing in life let alone by the ppl who adopted the baby. They weren’t taken advantage of. They were ignorant hillbillies raised by junkies and addicts who were just as stupid ignorant. And Cate 100% chose Tyler over Carly, she’ll never admit it. She is weak.
I agree. She did choose Tyler over Carly. She didn’t realize how much power she had as the mother even as a teen. She did not have to do what Tyler said.
I’m a birthmother myself and these two are PATHETIC.
GET A LIFEEEEEEE.
So much for “we’re going to take Dawn’s advice and take a step back”. What was that? 3? 4 weeks?
Just like they were going to college.
And become adoption counselors 😂
Catelynn is such a clown for those texts. Sending these pointless “updates” as if she is writing a diary entry. Who cares if nova learned to swim? Or whichever of the ridiculously named children it was 😅
That’s, in the big picture, not important in regards to their relationship with Carly. Send holiday texts, birthday, that’s pretty much it. Carly doesn’t care to know if vaydea or rya rode a carousel!!!!!
It’s the emotional unintelligence for me. Ugh!
Someone said it was just for Cate and Ty to “boast” about how good the girls’ lives are and how much Carly is missing. And I think those updates were really just that. When in reality I am sure she is GLAD she wasn’t raised by these boozoos.
PLEASE stop talking about this and hurting the 3 girls you have. You have 3 wonderful daughters, imagine the resentment they will feel when they figure out all they care about is their firstborn. They aren’t jokingly called “Not-Carlys” here for no reason. Please, just stop before it’s too late. Those 3 will soon start to think “Why aren’t we good enough for them? Why aren’t we as important as Carly?” and it will be heartbreaking to watch.
“I’m not worried that podcast will hurt Carly…”
Well, that statement just about sums it up. You don’t care about this young girl’s well being, all you care about are yourselves. It’s been sixteen years and
you’ve had ample opportunity to get the counseling you needs to address your grief. Alas, no, let’s put the parents of the child we put up for adoption on blast, because although we terminated our parental rights, they have no right to make decisions in the child they have raised for 16 years’ best interests. Do yourselves a favor, pay your taxes and buy another horse because you’ve beat this one dead.
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You know what’s really best for Carly, Cate?
What is best for her is that you fucking respect her and back the hell off, go get some actual REAL help (not fake therapy animals, not some spa you pretend is a mental health getaway, but actual, real help). Carly needs you to be better human beings, as do the three girls that are actually your daughters.
This….all of this…is not at all what’s best, for anyone. It’s not best for Carly, it’s not best for your daughters and it’s not best for you. Just stop with the bullshit already.
Cate herself admits, once again, that contact was cut off and they had been blocked ages ago by Carly. She admits that she decided to start contacting Theresa even more because of it. Cate is absolutely unhinged, and while I cannot and will not ever deny that there are associated traumas for people who give a child up for adoption, MOST of Cate’s issues are because she’s not getting the attention she thinks she deserves and she doesn’t really care about how her actions and words affect others. She keeps saying, despite the fact that she’s been told countless times the exact opposite, that her and Tyler speaking out isn’t harming Carly. She has been flat out told it IS harming her and to cut it out…but, nope, gotta keep on keeping on.
Also, there is no state in the US (and no country outside of it that I am aware of) where biological parents can sue adoptive parents for “not keeping an adoption open”, because, again, open adoption isn’t actually a real legally binding thing. So there is zero chance anyone, anywhere in the US, would be able to sue (and win against) adoptive parents because they “didn’t keep their word”. Whatever idiots are giving Cate this information really need to stop, she’s too stupid to realize she’s being lied to, apparently.
If B & T wanted to, they could file a Protection Order from sending texts and such. I would almost say it is stalking especially when B & T told them to stop. I hate to say this, but I hope like hell that when Carly does turn 18, she chooses to NOT go to C & T. They need accountability for their decisions from when they gave her up to the present day. Leave that child alone and let her parents raise her…
They absolutely could file, and would definitely get granted an RO against these two. I doubt they want to go that route, but if they chose to, it’s a pretty clear cut case.
I’ve had to do this with biological family members before, it truly is a last resort. It’s not something anyone would take lightly (or any court would allow them to take lightly). Honestly, though, in this case, I just might pursue it because these two are getting more and more blatant and escalating in detrimental behavior. I’d be worried about the next level they choose to reach for and the overall impact it would have on MY child and family. These two are beyond unhinged and I wouldn’t put it past them to start trying some really stupid shit.
Absolutely delusional. You are supposedly an adult. Act like one. Lose 50 pounds or in five years you’ll be diabetic. Focus on your children. Learn a job skill. Get a hobby. Volunteer. Plan family activities. Don’t flaunt your husband and kids’ father on a soft porn site. Go hiking. Save your money. If any of your kids actually go to college it will cost at least 250,000 per kid. Be like JD Vance. Rise above your upbringing
Ugh!! I wish B&T would sue C&T for harassment at the bare minimum. Maybe even stalking and defamation of character. I’m so tired of their bs! Grow up! They are literally complaining about the consequences of THEIR actions like toddlers. Go get real jobs and cancel this stupid, toxic show. Leave THEIR daughter ALONE!
Imagine how embarrassed poor carley is. Cate and ty are pathetic.
The fact Gary is shown on TM reaching out to Tyler to discuss Leah’s issues with all the bullshit Amber has pulled- and Cate/Ty can’t seem to process what they’re doing has VERY SIMILAR CONSEQUENCES for Carly.
Cate & Ty are shit stain’s on Carly’s life. They continue to prove this every single day by running their mouths. Stfu already.
“Catelynn acknowledged that it was never legally binding that Brandon and Teresa allow them to maintain contact with Carly.” Period.
They have no right to keep pestering them AND THEY KNOW IT. They are just bullying Brandon and Theresa to get them to comply to their entitled demands. F*ck them.
That was clear when Caitlyn said during the live “at the beginning they agreed to appear on the show.” So this is about them appearing on the show. Im sure way more money could be made.
IM NOT WORRIED THAT PODCAST WILL HURT CARLY BECAUSE WE ALREADY DID THAT WITH OUR BULLSHIT SHENANIGANS AND CONSTANTLY RUNNING OUR MOUTHS/HARASSING THEM NOW FOR MONTHS. There. Fixed that for you, Cate. Dumb fucking cunt.
I wish we could see who put the thumbs down reaction on comments. Seems like most of the comments that don’t agree with C&T are getting one or TWO thumbs down votes…Hmmmmmm. I’ve always felt C&T aren’t right in the mental game, you can tell by the conversations they have with each other. Carly dodged a bullet by being raised by someone else. God help the 3 left with this unstable pair
Yes they have money because of MTV (so do the other parents) but when that runs out if they are not investing it properly they will be in trouble.
I know Tyler isn’t. He’s openly stated that he’s “bipolar.”
Apparently, he gets ketamine infusions. I’ve never been offered them. They’re unbelievably expensive and I think they only work on the depressive side. I don’t know what his mania is like. I would assume it’s hypo mania. That still is very seriously and needs to be treated. He should take meds in my opinion.
I swear the cast of this franchise is diagnosed with bipolar disorder multiple times the rate of the general public. (Have it myself, not saying it’s a conspiracy).
As a general statement it makes sense that a tendency towards poor impulse control, coupled with a higher than average likelihood of being raised by a parent with bipolar, who in turn is more likely than average to have substance abuse issues can lead to [gestures vaguely]
I think Kail and Jenelle were dx also. Yeah. I’m 42 and I’ve never met one person who is actually dx and takes meds. I think I’ve met a few people who probably have it, but they don’t do anything or maybe don’t even know. Yeah. I grew up in a severely traumatic situation with an alcoholic father and narcissistic mother. So, I definitely get it.
I do! For any “Arrested Development” fans out there, “There’s dozens of us!”
Wasn’t there a hot minute in Jace’s toddlerhood where Jenelle was medicated and seemed like she had potential to be a functioning human?
Shes not the victim anymore, shes the perpetrator.
That is absolutely true! I never thought about it that way.
She has become April, just in her Cate way- which is also sitting around chain smoking and blaming everyone but herself for her shit not being together. The cycle is repeating, except instead of being a screaming drunk she has a podcast and goes to every news outlet she can for attention.
Wow, interesting perspective… eye-opening actually.
These people need to stop and just get over it already.They decided they want didn’t want to have the kids, so they gave us to somebody else.Stop bitching about it.You made the choice yourself
“Catelynn during the live” looks INSANE.
The pin point bulging eyes.. this woman needs serious help.
Not therapy horses. Not emotion pets. Not “alternative healing” or whatever bullshit they’ve fed her before.
And she don’t need to have any more children!!!
Girl, if you are reading this, PLEASE chill out. Relax. Focus on your girls, on the smaller things in life, on peace and joy. Find God and walk a healthier path. You look chewed up and spit out. I know you had it hard, but it CAN be better. Chase peace and choose joy. I don’t watch the show and I am utterly shocked to see you look so much older than you actually are. You are going to regret wasting the best years of your life like this.
Claims their podcast isn’t just going to be about traumatizing Carly because they talk about other stuff too and then spend the entire time talking CARLY’s adoption and about how they’re not going to take B&T to court, but if they lived in a different state they could if they wanted to, but they won’t. Because of the tRaUmA.
Cate is literally traumatizing that child and then worried about not traumatizing her.
Things they could talk about in adoption without any mention of Carly:
* advocating for a public defender or some kind of advocate for minors who are placing their child for adoption.
* having someone explain to them what the full depth of adoption would mean and how it could affect the future (i.e. things change and communication with the child could get better or worse.)
* pushing for legislation so that people can’t profit off of selling a human being
* allowing the adopted child to have access to their original birth certificate with their biological parent’s name on it as well as a family history
* dealing with having biological siblings to the adopted child and how that can be hard.
* navigating your own trauma of adoption, and how that comes in waves and how it does feel like a loss even when it was a positive thing.
* removing some of the stigma of adoption
* Use their platform to allow both adopted children and adopted parents and biological parents to share their experiences, both positive and negative. Also show the range of close/open adoptions and are happy/no happy about it. Different perspectives.
This just seems like them speaking into a microphone to be like B&T, f*ck off, and we are going to do what we want. And spend an hour whining about things we don’t like in life.
This 100%. There are lots of things wrong with adoption. Particularly that birth moms/parents have lawyers usually provided by the agency and paid for by the adoptive parents which is a huge conflict of interest. If they could use their experience to advocate for changes to legislation that would protect the birth parents that would be a wonderful use of their fame.
But weren’t these two morons given a gardian appointed by the court to represent their interests and provide advice? They also had the adoption spelled out for them repeatedly and it’s on film.
So April and Butch tried to sue C&T saying that as their guardians they can’t make decisions without them, i.e place Carly for adoption. (Don’t let me go down the rabbit hole of how a minor can have a child but still can’t sign legal contracts.) They then tried to demand custody of Carly.
Tyler claimed that the judge took one look at them tweaking out in the courtroom, with their extensive criminal record, and said nope. If bio parents want her to be placed for adoption, then that’s fine. (I believe that. Yeah, the judge probably had seen butch many times before in the court room).
The judge appointed Cate a guardian ad litem. Now a guardian ad litem is a type of advocate, they are supposed to look out for the best interest of the child, in this case Cate. But they aren’t the child’s lawyer, and they aren’t necessary explaining the situation or pushing for what Cate wants, just what they have deemed is best for the child, and that’s subjective. I think in this case they pushed for the best for the child which also happened to be what Cate wanted, which was adoption.
That’s why Cate had to walk out of the hospital and hand B&T the baby in the parking lot, instead of the hospital room because April refused to sign the adoption documents in the hospital. So Cate had to discharge Carly, has her mother, walk her out of the hospital and then hand her to B&T. Which like it was going to happen anyway, April was just being a b*tch and hoping that if she added roadblocks then finally Cate would keep Carly.
Dawn was never an advocate, 1. she’s being paid/works for the adoption agency (I think she works on commission, which just, gross talking about commission on babies). 2. her goal is to get the baby adopted by any means necessary. She has no fiduciary duty to C&T, but to B&T.
I think Dawn was pretty up front for the most part with C&T, and I think C&T knew what they were signing and knew what they were getting. I think now in retrospect, they aren’t happy in our rewriting history, a history that’s on film. Wild.
THIS!
There is so much murkiness around adoption & it definitely needs regulated better. I’m infertile & briefly looked into what adoption would cost & what all came along with it. We decided not to go that route & but there are a ton of ways to improve the adoption process for sure.
It just boggles my mind that Cate can’t see why they blocked her! Being bombarded by texts that refer to Carly’s “sisters,” then that “sisters forever” blanket, and still calling Carly “her” kid in interviews…crazy! Carly is going to have to go everywhere wearing a fake mustache, sunglasses, and a really big hat for the considerable future.
B&T didn’t send them a personal invitation to a face to face talk where they used therapy speak to describe the boundaries and allow them to negotiate it to whatever worked for them so therefore they had NO IDEA they were doing anything wrong. Most people could take a fucking hint and if someone says they don’t want to talk anymore they understand that the line has been drawn.
I get the feeling something happened to Carly and that’s why B&T sworn Dawn to secrecy. If there were issues with K&T, B&T should be honest and direct with them. Instead it feels like B&T know that this hurts K&T and makes them speak up in public almost like they are baiting and manipulating them to react the way they do. I never got a good vibe about B&T.
You’re joking, right? You must not have teen daughter. I have 2. They would rather fade into the background than have me talk about them on social media. I ask before I post dance photos. They would, understandably flip out is I was blasting their life online. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
THIS!! I have teen twin girls the same age as Carly!! They would be HORRIFIED to have had their privacy violated online for their entire lives like Carly has suffered! Fifteen-year-old girls control their own narratives!! I have to get my girls’ permission regarding which pictures I send to their grandmother! I’m sure C&T’s antics on line have repulsed Carly, and SHE does not want contact. Tyler’s OF is another super gross aspect of this, I wouldn’t want anything to do with him, either!
Are you as delusional as they are? Cate herself has even admitted, several times now, that B&T already told them what the issue was, and that their constant harassment of their family (including Carly herself) was the driving force behind why they were cut off. C&T KNOW why Carly cut off contact, and they know why B&T then had to cut contact as well, Cate literally says it herself in this live too (but has also said it several times before). C&T were a lot less narcissistic about this when Carly was little, and during that time they had even less contact, because they couldn’t be bothered to do things on time. They’ve just decided this is their new(est) cash cow and they can monetize it, so they’re doubling down on it all and only making things worse for Carly, her family, and even their own daughters.
I don’t get good vibes from anyone who can see what C&T have done and are doing, and still see them as some kind of victim. They are literally harming a child, and that child has stated so, but that’s not good enough for some of you whackadoodles.
Is this you, Tyler?
A couple of notes –
“Our podcast is not just adoption-centered. We talk about all types of things, so I don’t think it would negatively impact her at all.”
Do they know that Carly is more than just an adoptee??
During her Live, Catelynn acknowledged that it was never legally binding that Brandon and Teresa allow them to maintain contact with Carly;…
That’s literally the entire reason why people are so sick of their shit. They’re playing the victim in a situation where they knew they were not guaranteed contact. Now that contact was cut off, it’s “bUt WhY??” 🙄
“Like, you are literally buying babies, which is crazy to me.”
She makes adoption sound like trafficking. You’re not going down to the Walmart and buying a child. There’s TONS of fees involved for things like court costs, name changes, medical bills, paying the actual adoption agency, etc.
The fees vary, but it is extremely expensive. Saying you’re “literally buying children” is fkn wild to me.
“Until I know that it’s her [idea to close the adoption]…”
Carly is a CHILD. She has no personal involvement in the adoption contract that was signed. She can’t say “I want to close the adoption” because she is not the parent in this situation. Only B&T can say they want to close the adoption. Carly is subject to the wishes of her parents until she becomes a legal adult. Cate is out of her fkn mind for that one.
I couldn’t even finish reading it. Catelynn is clearly in the midst of an Amber-esque spiral. It’s starting to get concerning.
On point! I couldn’t finish it either this is so disappointing and disgusting I feel bad for the parents. This has to be depressing to be wondering what they have to endure next. They need to be taken off the show so their platform of hurt and shame is no longer used on the show.
I have said that a hundred times. They are adults now so, go get a REAL job and get off the soft porn shit. They have never had a job other than MTV. They probably couldn’t handle a real job because they don’t want to work if they are getting paid to talk shit about B & T. Some example they are setting for any young person watching the show.
What kind of legal standing would Catelynn and Tyler even have for taking Brandon and Teresa to court? That’s truly laughable. Their adoption agreement could’ve been closed years ago.
Caitlyn said birthparents can take adoptive parents to court for visitation in California. I never heard of that.
I need to look that up. That has got to be maybe if the child is adopted from DCFS by a close family member or relative. But private agency?
It’s not for visitation – it would be to uphold the terms of their adoption agreement. In some states, an open adoption agreement is legally binding and enforceable; in others (like Michigan), it’s basically a gentleman’s agreement. In C & T’s case, if Michigan recognized open adoption agreements and B & T had written that they would communicate regularly with C & T for 18 years, then they could take them to court to make them communicate with them.
They have literally no legal standing in their case.
Birth parents can try, but it’s highly unlikely to ever be approved. Unless there are extenuating circumstances where it’s in the best interest of the child to have some sort of contact, it won’t even get past the judge’s initial decision. This does not apply to newborns, btw, anywhere, as there is no established relationship. A judge *can* decide that an older child, with established relationships may benefit from some type of continued contact, but again, it’s really rare and it’s definitely not a “some states allow it, some don’t” sort of thing like she suggests.
It’s also not a lifetime thing but put in place during a transition and not usually based on birth parents, but rather birth siblings or environment. If the child is an only child, has never lived with other siblings, and doesn’t have any medical (physical or mental) health issues that are making the transition difficult for them, it would be extremely rare for something like this to happen-if it ever has. Older children are rarely given up for adoption under positive circumstances, so it would make sense that a judgment like this isn’t warranted. IF it’s done, it would only be due to being in the best interest of the child, not because the biological family can’t cope with losing a meal ticket.
Stop. Talking. About. This. Child. Her parents have asked you repeatedly to stop. For years. She’s not yours. You exploit you’re own family for money, leave this one alone!!
These two are completely unhinged. Good grief.